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Sauna Talk is a show about the authentic sauna experience. Recorded (often) on the sauna bench, we talk with interesting guests about sauna including such aspects as building sauna, enjoying sauna, and health and wellness benefits to sauna. The rising sauna tide is lifting many boats and we look forward to some left turns that we hope to keep listeners on and off the more enjoyable and less trampled authentic sauna trail.

Nov 2, 2020

As we celebrate the 10 year anniversary of sauna book “The Opposite of Cold”, we are pleased to visit with author Mike Nordskog, Mike was close to between sauna rounds at his home in Southwest Wisconsin. Glenn was Zoomed up from his island lake cabin in Northeast Minnesota.The sauna building journey vs. destination

The iterative process of sauna building allows us to create a sauna that works for us, individually.

The story behind “the Opposite of Cold”

A resurgence and interest in authentic sauna, particularly in the Upper Midwest.


Finnish carpentry to do the details – window molding and attention to detail.

Finnish immigrants, more saunas per mile than in Finland, Cotton, or Toivola, Carlton County.

What is authentic sauna?

Water in the hot room. Not just on the rocks, but ideally a room that you can bathe in there.

Ritual aspect that take time.

Common sense design principles, eg. two tiers of benches where the upper bench is close to the ceiling, otherwise you are leaving a lot of heat on the table.

The law of löyly – sitting on the upper bench, your feet are at the height of the sauna rocks.

Perfect Sweat

A symposium of sauna enthusiasts at Archimedes Banya. Invited by Mikkel Aaland. Authors and journalists, people from all over the world joining together in San Francisco in 2014.

Sauna is a pretty intimate thing. “you guys go over and use it for a couple rounds.” An intimate space where you are close to people.

Sweating, your body is going through a stressor and inducing a discharge.

Sauna is a resurgence but in places like Northern Minnesota, it was never lost.

The rhythm of sauna

The opposite of cold. The building allows you to counteract the harshness of winter. The counterpoint of cold.

Savusauna has their own peril. The smoke sauna is hard to maintain and keep active.

In the evening to prime your appetite and set up a good night’s sleep.

Harnessing the courage for the cold plunge.

Completely perfectly in the moment during the equilibrium moment after cold plunge.

What is most misunderstood about sauna?

You can use at your own level of comfort.

The intent of the book: to get the authenticities of sauna on record.